Students and members of the Listen, Engage, Acknowledge, and Discuss (LEAD) program received a variety of reactions on the first conversation of the school year. Held on Nov. 19, the discussion focused on affirmative action in college admissions.
“There were some people who found the information we presented to be interesting,” junior and LEAD executive Ezra Kahn said. “But for every person who found the information to be interesting, there were about two people who said it confused them more.”
Sophomore and student LEADer Keylly Garcia, who ran a ninth-grade conversation, found the discussion challenging to direct because of students’ lack of comprehension of what affirmative action is.
“It was a difficult topic for freshmen to understand,” Garcia said. “Some of them didn’t really get what the topic was, and I think we didn’t do a good job of explaining it.”
Affirmative action is a set of procedures intended to stop discrimination among applicants. Because of the complex perspectives surrounding this topic, sophomore Teo Kiciman remembers the leaders of his discussion room extensively explaining affirmative action.
“They spent most of the time talking about, objectively, what it was, and the conversation was just lost,” Kiciman said.

In addition to difficulty understanding the topic, the relevance of the discussion came into question as well. In June 2023, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled against affirmative action in college admissions, meaning this practice will not affect students applying to college.
“This might have been a great conversation to have before 2023 because it was still kind of alive and active at that point,” DEIB Special Programs Coordinator Obse Dinsa said.
Dinsa also stresses that the program is mostly student-run, which can lead to learning opportunities like this one. Despite the challenges of discussing affirmative action, senior and LEAD executive Carmel Sedghi also received positive responses to the topic.
“A lot of people said that they had a good conversation and felt like they had a general understanding of what affirmative action was after the conversation,” Sedghi said.
In addition to learning more about affirmative action, junior and LEADer Natalie Naness appreciates that the topic is intricate compared to past conversations.
“I just think it’s really interesting, because it’s more fun to talk about stuff that’s complex,” Naness said. “We’ve been talking a lot about very vague topics, like polarization or political division, and I think those are good, but [with] affirmative action, there’s just more to talk about.”
To decide this semester’s conversation focus, LEAD executives provided student leaders with three topics to vote on. The winning topic was affirmative action.

“It wasn’t really a surprise to me that people wanted to do affirmative action, because that’s been a topic that people have been wanting to do for a really long time,” senior and LEAD executive Chloe Kung said.
Moving forward, executives hope to improve their planning and preparation for future conversations.
“We’re going to work closely with Obse and ourselves to see what really is relevant and would be a good conversation,” Sedghi said. “And also continue to get a lot more feedback from the leaders throughout the process.”
